Posts by never a jw

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greatest show on earth

by unstopableravens in

i wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.

to be honest my mind has been on my family.

i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.

Morality in humans is a function of their higher intelligence. So I rather keep it simple. Intelligent beings are better equipped for survival. It is precisely intelligent individual of a species that improve the chances of survival of the group with higher intelligence. Having said that, my premise doesn't change. Morality is created by the leaders/strong to control the led/weak for the benefit of the whole species, or sometimes for the exclusive benefit of the strong. However, I see a trap. When there are limited or insufficient resources to be shared or adverse conditions appear in the environment, we go back to the primeval form of survival of the fittest. Morality only works when there's abundant resources to be shared. Morality stregthens the group, but weakens the individual. 1000 years ago, many "weak" children would die because they couldn't survive on their own. Today, thanks to advances in the medical field and morality those children have almost 100 % chance of survival. The human race maybe strong and numerous, but the average individual is weaker. I am only stating the facts as I see them; I am not even hinting at eugenics. Morality is so ingrained in me by 48 years of indoctrination that the very idea of using the word makes me feel guilty. Yes, I have become weaker too.

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Is trying to awaken a JW tantamount to "robbing him of his bliss"??

by never a jw in

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last thursday i was propmpted by a recent thread to read the daily text (feb 28, 2013).

i then had the audacity to send a text message to all four jw's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's).

i offered my opinion by summarizing it "put and shut up".

never a jw

Lost Generation,

The de facto "apostate" is my own term. I put it in quotation marks for the same reason the NWT writes the name "Samuel" in quotation marks (1 Samuel 28:14-20). The WT needs to twist the meaning of Samuel to keep consistency of a doctrine. I need to inform the reader that I don't associate with the meaning of the word in quotation marks. However, my actions may be deemed by JW's as apostasy.

What I implied is that my niece has gotten similar messages and emails from me before, and told me that she will not respond to them. The other three nephews never received these type of messages before and were willing to engage in a brief exchange of text messages.

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greatest show on earth

by unstopableravens in

i wanted to start this thread two weeks ago,however i have had alot going on with wifey and the elders,that is another thread.

to be honest my mind has been on my family.

i will be able to discuss the book tommorow morning.

never a jw

Cofty,

You sounded very objective until the "pessimistic"part. Either I am wrong or I am not. Since morality is more a subject of metaphysics than science, I am going to call it 50/50 just to throw a number, but "pessimistic" coming from a guy who does such a great job at defending science?

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More connect-the-dots madness...

by cedars in

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that's right, a knife and a baby in close proximity.... .

http://www.jw.org/assets/m/ijw13fr/502013178/ijw13fr_id-502013178_e/502013178_e_cnt_1.pdf.

anything goes, so long as you're proving how "wise" king solomon was.. .

never a jw

OODAD Parents would be up in arms demanding the teachers head, metaphorically speaking, course. I wonder how many JW parents are going to demand the Governing Body Member's head

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Is trying to awaken a JW tantamount to "robbing him of his bliss"??

by never a jw in

jw
friends

last thursday i was propmpted by a recent thread to read the daily text (feb 28, 2013).

i then had the audacity to send a text message to all four jw's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's).

i offered my opinion by summarizing it "put and shut up".

never a jw

A Biblie Student,

I got the book, but it's a subject that is hard for me to get interested in. I have read the "Gentile Times Reconsidered" few times, That's me, that's my subject.

After reading many posts about Hassan's books, reading the book is a must for me. I just wish mind games, persuasion and psychology were my thing.They are not. I have to work hard at it.

My objective essentially is to spread real truth. I am coming to the conclusion that religion brings more harm than good.

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Is trying to awaken a JW tantamount to "robbing him of his bliss"??

by never a jw in

jw
friends

last thursday i was propmpted by a recent thread to read the daily text (feb 28, 2013).

i then had the audacity to send a text message to all four jw's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's).

i offered my opinion by summarizing it "put and shut up".

never a jw

Jeffro,

Excellent point.

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Is trying to awaken a JW tantamount to "robbing him of his bliss"??

by never a jw in

jw
friends

last thursday i was propmpted by a recent thread to read the daily text (feb 28, 2013).

i then had the audacity to send a text message to all four jw's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's).

i offered my opinion by summarizing it "put and shut up".

never a jw

DATA-Dog

Thank you for your post and the daily text too. My decision to text my nephews was quite spontaneous. I never did it before, except for my niece. They all are fine people surrounded by equally fine people. I strongly believe that they and most of their friends would be great people even without religion. They are young and intelligent, fairly educated and have access to the internet. My niece actually majored in child psichology (don't ask why she can't perceive the cognitive dissonance!!!!) I believe that they will see the light one day. Time will tell. My job is done; I should not insist on this type of communications for the sake of familiy harmony. I should point out that in my exchange I made sure to write that "I could prove with facts and evidence that the WT lies deliberately". That statement should plant some doubt. My nephews know that, despite of my lack of religion, I have demonstrated to be a "worldly" person in good standing with all JW's who know me, possibly hundreds. Even the replacement of the C.O. and congregation top elder in one of the local circuits in So Cal wrote to me in an email that he heard that I was a "good man" at dinner conversations with my brothers, who happened to be the parents of the nephews/niece mentioned above.

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Is trying to awaken a JW tantamount to "robbing him of his bliss"??

by never a jw in

jw
friends

last thursday i was propmpted by a recent thread to read the daily text (feb 28, 2013).

i then had the audacity to send a text message to all four jw's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's).

i offered my opinion by summarizing it "put and shut up".

never a jw

In fairness to at least one of my nephews, he thought that the daily text was about humility to those "carrying the heavy load". He got offended for my suggesting that the text was likely about preemptively making the elders swallow the new light and my adding that most JW's won't even care or notice the new light.

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Depressing Census Statistics on Religion

by jwfacts in

... depressing if you are the governing body that is.. the australian census figures from 2011 are available.

this is taken every 5 years, and i have been doing a comparison over the last 15 year period.

for 2001 and 2006 the number of jw's fell in australia, but this time it has risen, which jws may find encouraging.

never a jw

Damn those Godless people. How dare they use reason, facts and evidence to support their argument!

Thanks JWacts for your hard work.

Julia, you are right, and I must add that "no religion" must include even christians who prefer not to be affiliated to any denomination. I believe that was the case of the existentialist philosopher Kierkegaard.

I read in another post that you like history. You may be interested in a book by Carl Olof Jonsson that connects history to JW's flawed doctrines of doom. Remember the signs: earthquakes, famine, wars, plagues. He deals with that issue just as well he did in "the Gentile Times Reconsidered" The book "The Signs of the Last Days, When" is hard to find, but I got my copy from a library in California.

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Is trying to awaken a JW tantamount to "robbing him of his bliss"??

by never a jw in

jw
friends

last thursday i was propmpted by a recent thread to read the daily text (feb 28, 2013).

i then had the audacity to send a text message to all four jw's nephews/nieces (in their mid 20's).

i offered my opinion by summarizing it "put and shut up".

never a jw

Here's the daily text that started it all:

Jehovah will make known who belongs to him.-Num. 16:5. Korah lost sight of the fact that Jehovah was directing the nation of Israel and consequently failed to show loyalty to those whom God was using. How much wiser it would have been for Korah to wait on Jehovah for a clearer understanding or for adjustments if those were really needed. So in the end, Korah destroyed his record of faithful service by his prideful actions! (Num. 16:1-34) That account provides a serious warning for elders and others in the congregation today. Waiting on Jehovah and following directions from those appointed to take the lead requires humility. Do we show that we are as humble and mild-tempered as Moses was? Can we acknowledge the position of those taking the lead among us and submit to directions we receive? Are we able to rise above our personal feelings when faced with disappointments? If so, we too will be known favorably by Jehovah. Our humility and submission will endear us to him. w11 9/15 5:12, 15, 16